tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post136841969513968151..comments2023-11-02T09:51:08.198-04:00Comments on Feeding the Goat: "Wow, So They Haven't Gotten Rid of Chief Wahoo Yet. That's Kind Of Embarrassing": Cleveland Indians 2007 Season Previewtrouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16951090490306266662noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-48074333983826894112007-03-15T16:12:00.000-04:002007-03-15T16:12:00.000-04:00I think activists should push for using these team...I think activists should push for using these team names as a conduit for cultural understanding. By erasing the names and symbols we continue to cover up our past. <BR/><BR/>Instead of saying, lets change the name of the Indians, say you can continue calling yourselves the Indians but include real native american culture into the team branding.<BR/><BR/>Another comment, can a black or brown person ever become white? White culture would much rather move away from the colored people then integrate. If done correctly, having team names that represent minority parts of our culture force the white season ticket holders to deal with that culture to a small extent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-34287603756486583562007-03-15T15:49:00.000-04:002007-03-15T15:49:00.000-04:00two irish guys anti-irish? my mcmonigle predecess...two irish guys anti-irish? my mcmonigle predecessors were apparently just pussies, ashamed of their rich cultural heritageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-34984652362501211582007-03-15T15:37:00.000-04:002007-03-15T15:37:00.000-04:00baseball!baseball!Silly Cymberlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15957276772933415417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-36980395572788807522007-03-15T15:01:00.000-04:002007-03-15T15:01:00.000-04:00You anti-Irish fucks can go suck on a Lemon. I'm ...You anti-Irish fucks can go suck on a Lemon. I'm gonna punch your faces in! Woooohaaa!Gagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491771177923757287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-26290844031302659592007-03-15T13:53:00.000-04:002007-03-15T13:53:00.000-04:00as to the marginalization of the irish in american...as to the marginalization of the irish in american society, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American#Presidents_of_Irish_descent" REL="nofollow">as many as 16 u.s. presidents claim irish descent</A><BR/><BR/>i am not aware of any who claim ancestry of the non-caucasian ethnic minority varietyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-87396607465057840062007-03-15T13:37:00.000-04:002007-03-15T13:37:00.000-04:00Jason-I completely agree about these mascots being...Jason-I completely agree about these mascots being initially adopted to purportedly (at least according to legend) to observe some sort of courage and honor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Wahoo.<BR/><BR/>Your point about the Fighting Irish is an compelling one, but I would argue that there is something to be said for the fundamental difference between white ethnic minorities (not to sound like an academic, but check out "whiteness studies" on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies) and minorities of color. The Irish, despite facing much discrimination in assimilating to "American" culture in the late 19th/early 20th century, are, for all intents and purposes, white now. In other words, they're not really a minority anymore. The same can't be said for Native and African Americans.trouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16951090490306266662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-14411255820123902852007-03-15T13:06:00.000-04:002007-03-15T13:06:00.000-04:00If we're going to get rid of every team name that ...If we're going to get rid of every team name that references humans, Notre Dame should drop The Fighting Irish from their sports teams. Everyone knows that Irish people are stereotyped as fighters and that red-haired leprechauns continue the sterotypes. <BR/><BR/>I agree that disparaging names like the Redskins should probably go, but I think the reason these names were chosen in the first place was to represent the courage, honor, and camaraderie in native americans culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-70905396275368664212007-03-15T12:39:00.000-04:002007-03-15T12:39:00.000-04:00that link really surprised me, too... i wonder if ...that link really surprised me, too... i wonder if the community's opinion of wahoo (which to me, seems more offensive) is any different... <BR/><BR/>i also agree that it's definitely the stereotyped portrayal that is offensive, not the accidental misnomer 'indian'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-48065481942755423492007-03-15T12:18:00.000-04:002007-03-15T12:18:00.000-04:00I think the minority's political clout and group i...I think the minority's political clout and group identity/awareness has anything and everything to do with it--not just the racial makeup of the city where the team resides.<BR/><BR/>African Americans have asserted themselves through a long tradition of resistance--black power and black nationalism being the most potent forms of it--while Native Americans political power, whether because of population size or a history of assimilation and conciliation through treaties and the like, is virtually nonexistent despite radical movements in the '70s (see Vine Deloria, et al) akin to black power.<BR/><BR/>I was personally shocked at that link I posted about Native Americans themselves not being offended at their portrayal in sports mascots. This attitude surely gives those who argue for the inoffensiveness of the mascots license to continue to not see anything wrong with them--but it shouldn't obscure the vision of people who, really, should know better (or at least get paid to know better)--athletic league commissioners, politicians, and the like.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, this might be a sort of half-assed accomodationist stance, but it's not the name "Indians" I have so much of a problem with--I may be completely wrong, but I don't know that the Native American community has much of a problem with it either--it's just the <I>image</I> of the grinning Indian that I find particularly offensive. While the term "Indian" itself doesn't carry an inherently pejorative connotation, I think the grinning, red-faced, lone-feather-wearing Indian does.trouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16951090490306266662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-49694637806223267782007-03-15T11:48:00.000-04:002007-03-15T11:48:00.000-04:00This shows the racial breakdown of the city...60%...<A HREF="http://www.city-data.com/city/Washington-District-of-Columbia.html" REL="nofollow"><BR/>This </A> shows the racial breakdown of the city...<BR/>60% vs. 0.8%Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-33133644625356378722007-03-15T11:42:00.000-04:002007-03-15T11:42:00.000-04:00one further thought:could the demographics of the ...one further thought:<BR/><BR/>could the demographics of the aforementioned district play any part in the acceptability of the washington redskins, but not the washington n----s... perhaps, but the fact that i can type the name of the football team, yet not that of the proposed baseball team, makes me think otherwiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-91781962765464872742007-03-15T11:38:00.000-04:002007-03-15T11:38:00.000-04:00ah, racism...i love how it still seems perfectly a...ah, racism...<BR/><BR/>i love how it still seems perfectly acceptable to openly and shamelessly portray native americans in any number of derogatory stereotypes, but should one accidentally make any type of remark viewed as remotely belittling of blacks, gays, jews or any other minority, he or she must then profusely apologize through all media outlets and immediately enter some type of substance abuse rehab program... <BR/><BR/>take-home message: kids, you should stay away from drugs because they apparently cause gross intolerance...<BR/><BR/>if you honestly think using racial pejoratives as nicknames and mascots is not objectionable, imagine the beltway's baseball team as the washington n----s, with a bunch of crackers in blackface prancing around during the seventh inning stretch wearing overalls, eating watermelon and drinking hooch... yet somehow our nation's capital feels it is perfectly acceptable to disparage the people whose land we stole and ancestors we annihilatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34077597.post-57350194776891764352007-03-15T09:33:00.000-04:002007-03-15T09:33:00.000-04:00Ugh, Brian, I am quite disappointed that you are o...Ugh, Brian, I am quite disappointed that you are one of those who agree with this whole movement to make all our sports mascots completely PC and lovable. It's a FUCKING MASCOT! <BR/><BR/>I'm not gonna try and debate this because you're smarter than me and you'll win, but I just can't even think of a more pointless cause than getting rid of a guy because he does an indian dance during half time of a game. <BR/><BR/>Mascots are characters and do not represent reality. And I'm confident in saying that all spectators know this while watching a sporting event. <BR/><BR/>That said, they should totally make the Indians change their logo because I hate the fucking Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com